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Monday, December 31, 2012

Secret New Years Eve Party somewhere in Penyffordd

Friday, December 28, 2012

Chairman Tom's Internet Rules

This is how Tom and Colin would wish things to be.

Be aware of the comments section it's totally uncensored


Tuesday, December 25, 2012

Xmas Notes

A happy Xmas to all those at Hanson Cement. Today the water vapour plume from the chimney pushing into the atmosphere. It irks Cllr Colin Bithell a lot that today Xmas day Hanson will be producing 100's tons of cement whilst one man sits at the controls running the whole show.
It's the one man bit he doesn't like. That of course along with the rest. More on Cllr Bithell and his mates nearer the new year.

If chimney activity at Hanson be the indicator of British Industry we are on an upsurge. Emissions from Hanson have been daily for the last two or three weeks. This sort of activity has not been seen in the last two or three years

Father Xmas seen out for his morning jog. The photo opportunity missed.

Today I am excused visits to relatives ( or they to us ) who are mostly dead or living in a foreign land. A day of good food, a little wine, a time for reflection for the coming year.

This morning's dog walk on Pen Llan y Gwr. ( It's the mountain behind Y Hob.) From which can be seen the Wirral and Mersey Estuary, Liverpool City Centre, Jodrell Bank, Snowdonia. Well judged as this afternoon is a bit damp.

Coming up: Clive shoots himself in the foot.

Monday, December 24, 2012

A happy Xmas to readers

May you get what you wish for. I'm cheating and am currently messing around with my present ( total cost free, bruise on shin was extra). Looking on Ebay with what to fit it out with.

Superfast Fibre Broadband for Penyffordd

Here is the site that supposedly says whats going on

If you put a Penyffordd post code it says the middle of Buckley are currently accepting orders. No plans for Higher Kinnerton and no news about what's happening in Penyffordd.

It is in the village. Various BT Openreach Cabinets have stickers on saying it's installed.

Seems like the standard way of BT doing things. No straight forward way of seeing when various parts of Penyffordd had Superfast Fibre installed or when areas that have not had it installed will be sorted.

Obsfucation reigns supreme.

Still could be worse outlying areas away from Penyffordd and other areas of Flintshire only have dial up !

postscript: BT at their best. Sorry I mean Openreach. ( Pis*ups and Breweries)

Friday, December 21, 2012

A Happy Xmas to all at Gosafe

for helping to make Chester Rd, Penyffordd a safer and quieter place. I 'm sure all Penyffordd Community Councillors, Chester Rd residents and parents of Penyffordd Junior School also share my sentiments

Colin Hughes


The Winter Solstice

The shortest day of the year today. From here things get lighter but perhaps colder for sometime.
Today the last day of work for many before Christmas.
Many office parties taking place.
Today I am excused the office party or the trip into Chester at lunchtime for the annual inebriation.
I am just the chauffeur, quite happy to be away from all the fuss.

It's supposed to be the end of the world today. I personally can't see it happening.

Thursday, December 20, 2012

The Role of Police

I was communicating with a friend tonight about "Plebgate"

I have a rather naive, innocent view of police. I expect them to uphold the rule of Law, not to tell lies, or to connive with councillors.

This last year or two on a personal level my naivety somewhat rattled. ( CCTV looking at my house, it was taken down as soon as I mentioned it on here, the holding bracket still on the lampost, no one at FCC or cllrs owning up to why it was there even after an FOIE. )

The eventual NWP explanation not convincing.

Graeme Archer below tells things better than I ever could.

The police need to get back to basics. Leave politics to politicians.
The police should be honest and not members of masonic lodges or any secret societies.

At the end of the day they police with our ( the plebs) consent.


Lisa's Kitchen Chicken and Potatoes

The chicken wrapped in bacon, the potatoes with camembert cheese and orange sauce
and perhaps a glass of red.....or three.

 and pears with dark chocolate to follow

This was sent back to the kitchen as the chocolate doesn't go with the pears.

Chocolate sauce would have been better.

I joke but last week we went to the Croes Howell where one of our party sent something back.
An embarrassment supreme.

I could do a trip adviser of the evening but perhaps it would be unfair.

I could however say the chocolate truffle cake was historic.
(copyright Michael Winner)

If you want to enjoy the spectacular views go when its not dark...................


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Castell Alun rated one of the best schools in Wales

Castell Alun is where the vast majority of older Penyffordd children go to for their learning.
Chairman Tom last time I looked was a governor.

Full story here.

Shed Raids

are going on in South Flintshire.


Two stihl chainsaws went missing in our row last month. I do not think they will have been reported stolen.

It is known why they went missing and when.

One wonders how many crimes go unreported.

There is also the point of who is doing all the pinching.

People in the country know who and the police know who.

Police action seems to be reduced to handing out leaflets..................................

Wednesday, December 19, 2012

Traffic Calming News

There isn't any !

I see further in the Treuddyn News that they have concerns over speeding traffic within the village.

I have asked and I have been told that it is going ahead as planned for Chester Rd.

Council House - Would you like one ?

Further reading through Treuddyn News finds not much of a queue for council bungalows. A £1000 is offered also if you will downgrade from a council house to a bungalow.

Penyffordd?   No idea.

Lorries using the village as a short cut

This is a continuing phenomena. Yesterday I estimate Chester Rd lorry traffic was 30 plus. ( I  had work to do on the car. ) This is extra to new estate building work.

Do Penyffordd Cllrs think lorries should use the village as a short cut?

I've always been of the opinion that Chairman Tom is an honorary member of the local Haulage Association.

Put the daffs in the ground. That's the environment sorted !

This is another area where our long serving members lack any vision for the village.

Penyffordd Institute Grants

Do we ever apply for any?
I read about Treuddyn receiving yet more grants for their village hall in Treuddyn News Issue 261
( I see our news letter appears to be dead and buried )

I read about Llanasa getting £150k last week in The Flintshire Chronicle.

Previously on here there have been commentors on village councils who have active sub committee's whose sole occupation is to seek out public money grants.

Penyffordd at the back of the queue yet again?

Monday, December 17, 2012

Penyffordd business wins yet more awards

Helen Vaughan of Penyffordd collecting prize for her high quality meat balls.
Helen makes delicious pies and ready meals.
Vaughan's Family Butchers well worth a try.

Photo courtesy of Chronicle Xtra

Carry on Crashing

Yet another accident beyond Penyffordd train station towards Pontblyddyn. Someone has ran out of road or has been forced to take evasive action. Hedge flattened on the left near cottage that sits on its own.

Cllr Edwina Davies ( Cllr of the month) brought this issue up two meeting ago. Problem is a radical solution is needed to deal with the muppets. Such as compulsory 20 mph zones at multiple accident spots.

It's not going to happen though. It's as the title suggests...

Saturday, December 15, 2012

Edwina says " We are behind the times ! "

Well Edwina that's what you get when you leave an 87 year old conservative (small c) control freak in charge of the village. The only problem with the £300 notes is, is it a one off or one of ongoing payments?

By the way it takes 10 mins to set up a Hotmail or Gmail account for Scribe Nigel. Cost free.
30 mins setup for a blog that will suffice for the council's requirements. Cost free.

Perhaps Clive and David can meet down at headquarters at "The Red".

Big issue at giving the Wine Club 50 quid but we'll spray rate payers money around like there's no tomorrow.

Thursday, December 13, 2012

Recent House Sales

28 Plas Yn Rhos £152,000
Penyffordd, CH4 0JU 14th September 2012
18 Abbottsford Drive £190,000
Penyffordd, CH4 0JG 5th October 2012

You can search all these sales totally free of charge by going to

Tuesday, December 11, 2012

Nearly up for murder

There we were at 9 am this morning negotiating Penymynydd roundabout with icy windows, slippy roads and large blind spots courtesy of VW in the Sharan. Lisa suddenly draws my attention to an old man with walking stick and dark clothing in front of us scuttling at a snail pace across the road outside Penyffordd Headquarters.

For it is he Chairman Tom, Penyffordd's greatest living resident.

I had time to slow down but maybe not others rushing to where ever.

Defence would have been futile. " Just read the blog !"

ps. I want to know is our Leader 87 years old yet?

Friday, December 07, 2012

Penyffordd Council Grants 2012

where councillors vote their favourite groups within the village ratepayers money and take revenge on me for having the temerity to occasionally criticise them.

You will notice that there are no comments on the various applications in the minutes. It has all been "resolved" by Chairman Tom.

Penyffordd Wine Circle the only group within the village ever refused with no reason given you invertebrates.

Why aren't the "resolved comments" in the minutes ?

I presume Chairman Tom says they are not needed. 

A travesty of process that's for sure.

Click on images to read.

There seems to be a yellow streak running through the council. No moral fibre and no backbone.

The minutes a waste of paper councillors !  Not a true reflection of the meeting.

No bottle amongst any of you.


The Tom Jones Dictionary

resolve - verb - to resolve, meaning to hide dirty dealings from the residents,
to make council minutes meaningless

Wednesday, December 05, 2012

The State we are in

Following the Chancellor's Autumn Statement you might wish to look at where we actually are.


I think it best to consider cutting your borrowings and living within your means.

The USA and EU are in similar situations

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Monday, December 03, 2012

Penyffordd Community Council Meeting December 2012

This coming Wednesday at 6.30 pm in the back room of the Penyffordd Institute
All are welcome to attend but you may not speak unless asked to do so.

ps. Cllrs. September minutes are missing out of the post office.

Will the special meeting grants minutes be made available for residents scrutiny?
Will the minutes show a full picture of what went on?
We will see.

There is of course FOIE legislation to force answers.

A sledge hammer to crack a nut..........

postscript: Grant minutes now in the Post Office.

Sunday, December 02, 2012

Recent House Sales

Land Registry recent sales
Here are the 10 recent transactions recorded by Land Registry closest to your CH4 0LS, click on a 
property you are interested in to see more details. To view all Land Registry data for CH4 0LS click here

CH4 0JU28, Plas Yn Rhos£152,00014/09/2012
CH4 0JG18, Abbottsford Drive£190,00005/10/2012

Wednesday, November 28, 2012

Something to think about.........

Lisa's Kitchen - Fish and Rice

Welsh Blogs
Comment and analysis on Welsh social and political issues from a right of centre nationalist perspective. But all done in the best possible taste, and not without humour.

Monday, November 26, 2012

Wrestling to return to Penyffordd on Friday 18th January 2013

The Penyffordd British Legion did "turn away business" at the last event. So if you were disappointed last time you have another chance.

As Fred Pontin used to say " Book Early !"

I'll leave it to Saxman to fill in the details.


Sax Man26 Nov 2012 15:56:00

The wrestling was such a roaring success that Britannia Wrestling Promotions ( have been asked to return to Penyffordd Royal British Legion on Friday 18 January 2013.

Last time (October 2012) the show sold out within 20 minutes of the doors opening - we had to turn away around 30-40 people (sorry!) - however this is one of the smaller venues that Britannia Wrestling Promotions run shows at, so only 170 people are permitted entry.

To avoid disappointment next time around, we highly recommend that tickets are purchased in advance at Penyffordd Royal British Legion for just £5 each.

A whole array of British and International Superstars will be returning to Penyffordd for an even BIGGER night of family entertainment.

Head on over to for further details (follow the Events links)

Ticket info @

Sunday, November 25, 2012

Penyffordd Council Minutes

are now in the Penyffordd Post Office. Will the special meeting minutes for grants be available shortly with full details?

You vote for my favourite grant groups and I'll vote for yours.............

All agreed before the meeting?  I think so.

We shall see.

keywords: vindictive, small people, vested interests.

Dog's Toilet - It's War

Outside the alley way next to our house is a veritable paradise for one or three dog owners. The perfect place for their dog to excrete each day.

A trip down the alley way needs a pause at the end to dodge the dog muck.

Hopefully not for much longer. The grass is going to be removed and mild bleach put down.
Further along the deterrence pathway will be strong chilli pepper. Dogs of course are big sniffers.

Vested interest. We have two dogs.

Wednesday, November 21, 2012

Tuesday, November 20, 2012

Mark Tami MP - In The House

speaker:Mark Tami : 1 Commons debate

Groceries Code Adjudicator Bill [Lords] (19 Nov 2012)
Mark Tami: Does the hon. Gentleman accept that it also happens the other
way? I have come across cases in which supermarkets have turned around
and said that they do not want an order any more at very short notice.
The supermarkets have the power to say to smaller suppliers, “Take
it or leave it, because we can go elsewhere and you cannot.”

speaker:Mark Tami : 1 Written Answer

Written Answers - Home Department: Imitation Firearms (19 Nov 2012)
Mark Tami: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department how
many replica weapons were recovered by the police in each of the last
five years.



Friday, November 16, 2012

Dennis Parry in The Leader


I have a lot to thank Dennis for. He prevented a kangaroo court meeting against me for my opinions.

Or should I say Secret Penyffordd Community Council meeting.

Dennis is the sort of person needed to get to the facts of Bryn Estyn published.

Dennis says " “I don’t think the Waterhouse Inquiry went as far as it could have. I thought it was weak.
“It has certainly got a lot to answer for.”

The Establishment ( The Lords ) said yesterday the Waterhouse Enquiry was fine.

Thursday, November 15, 2012

North Wales Police Commissioner votes

are coming in very slow at Penymynydd.

I for one welcome the initiative. I am fed up with NWP doing what they like. The North Wales Police Authority as a critical friend was not to my liking.

Not liked here either
One of our famous Penyfforddians Dennis Parry mentioned in despatches.

Former White Lion Pub Site

The digger is where the entrance to the estate is going to be. I seem to remember a mini roundabout on the main road. This will slow down traffic for the junior school.

Wednesday, November 14, 2012

Penyffordd Health Care is the pits

Two visits to Mill Lane Practice in Buckley and still no prescription. This morning the place is carnage with large queues due to a new way of doing things.

The doctors there must be on £2000 a week, what a joke.

If you are in pain perhaps a visit to our healthcare at the Chemist?

Better still the minor issues unit at Emergency at the Maelor.

Anyone recommend a practice?


Sunday, November 11, 2012

Message for Nigel

Penyffordd Clerk to the Council

Hi Nigel

With regards the Penyffordd Community Council Grants Meeting held on the 31st Oct 2012. I would like to see a full view of what went on. Which organisations received money, which councillor voted for each organisation and who voted against the Penyffordd Wine Circle.

For example what I ask for above was not what went down in the minutes last year. Cllrs were not recorded as to their voting on individual organisations.

As Clerk you will of course want to portray an accurate view of the meeting I'm sure

You may wish to confer with Tom

Hope your cricket club got a grant lol !

Remembrance Sunday

Lest we forget.

Friday, November 09, 2012

PACA News as told by Cllr Cindy Hinds

Pen-y-ffordd Area Community Association - PACA have put in for funding for a scooter /skate area on the Millstone Playing field. This came about because two boys went to see Mrs Jess Thomas to see how they could go about fulfilling their wishes. Jess, the boys and two of their friends, parents of the boys and Sean Le Tissier, Chair of the Association, and myself went to see Mark Tami, M.P. and Carl Sargeant, A.M. at their surgery. This escalated in the boys getting a petition together and going back to the M.P.'s surgery to present the petition. PACA has now submitted a package to the Welsh Assembly Government for the funding (including the petitions from the boys and letters from both the M.P. and the A.M.). It was so good to see the enthusiasm these youngsters had. Any time now we should know whether we receive the funding or not.

Community Garden - The Community garden is looking better now after help from Bernard (Scout Leader) and Phil Lofthouse and all the residents who have allotments. A little more needs doing and the Association want it completed as soon as possible.

PACA is putting on a Christmas Fayre on the Red Lion Car Park on the 1st December starting at 11.30 am and finishing at 5 pm. All sorts of stalls, Father Christmas, Carol Singing etc. Please come out and support the Association as all the funds they raise are for facilities in the community. Unfortunately our Christmas Eve Carol Singing event will not be possible this year.

The above is from Cllr Cindy Hinds' Newsletter

Tuesday, November 06, 2012

Penyffordd Community Council Communication update

Click to enlarge. This is the part of the council agenda for the meeting on Wednesday

Looks like Penyffordd Community Council can drag its feet till 2014 over an email address
Doesn't look like agendas and minutes are going to be published online

We will see.

I see we are going retro with regards communication to the village peasants.

How many councillors follow Cllr Tom Jones' view that residents should be given as little information as possible with it being as difficult as possible to contact the council?

David Price Funeral

Claire Booth Funeral

David has died

I know him only as David. He was 52 years of age. David was a town crier. Always smartly dressed. David strode around the village, his attire from a different century.
His death sudden as he was seen on the same day that he passed away.

Monday, November 05, 2012

Snow reaches North Wales

in the Daily Post.

Penyffordd Community Council Meeting

This coming Wednesday. All are welcome to attend but not allowed to speak. ( unless asked to do so).
A council website is on the agenda.

I've already mentioned that one can be set up for free. That agendas and minutes can be put on in about 2 minutes flat if supplied in digital format by Clerk Nigel's typist.

Will the council go the long route? Expensive and slow to add data?

Friday, November 02, 2012

Our man Tom collects a best kept community award

The full story in The Flintshire Chronicle. Cllr Tom Jones is second right to the fragrant Cllr Carolyn Thomas (Treuddyn), second to back row. In the back row  (next to the lift) is former Treuddyn Cllr Idris Jones.
Idris who is in his 80's remembers life in Treuddyn when times were hard. Council meetings were held in Welsh up unto 1989. Idris a lovely man always a story or twenty to tell about Nant y Ffrith. 

Penymynydd won a merit award for best kept village ( less than a 1000 residents)

Wednesday, October 31, 2012

Local shops for local people

Any fans of League of Gentlemen may recognise the title. If you are of a delicate disposition do not google !

Jonathan Sibun in The Telegraph reports on the local shop downfall.


The above explains the battle that Mold and Buckley face.

Hopefully no windmills for Hope Mountain

It would appear that sense is finally showing through IMHO. UK needs a permanent solution to energy not just a part time expensive one. Your electricity and gas bills have been raised to pay for these monstrosities.


You may not like nuclear energy but at least it runs 24/7.


Sunday, October 28, 2012

Penyffordd Bonfire 2012

Saturday 3rd November 2012

If you wish to help with the bonfire organisation please contact Cllr Cindy Hinds.

Saturday, October 27, 2012

I'm just nipping around to The Spar

Ice on the car windscreen this morning , a cold northerly wind.
Which brings me nicely to the state of Alaska.

We sell books. We have sold a book called the Alaskan Bootlegger's Bible, I picked it up at Chirk Car Boot Sale for 50p.

Shopping can be an annual event in Alaska. Or even to the extent where you get an annual visit by a boat delivering your yearly shop. In the introduction the author talks about a friend who lives on one of the outlying islands. One year the boat sank but they were able to retrieve the cans of food.

One problem was that all the labels came off the cans so every meal that year was a surprise !

Have a good weekend.

The Secret Bonfire Update

Jewsons the building suppliers have dropped off a lorry load of pallets.

Friday, October 26, 2012

Mark Tami MP speaks up for the badgers

speaker:Mark Tami : 1 Commons debate

Business of the House: Badger Cull (25 Oct 2012)
Mark Tami: Does the hon. Lady accept that if the vaccine was available,
there would be no need for a cull? I think some Government Members House
want the cull regardless.


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What's happening out and about

Three degrees this morning.

Each day you want to be up to date with what's happening on the roads etc.

I usually find  lots of stuff online out of date.
The Daily Post have started North Wales Live which tells you what's happening in the region now.


For example olympic champion Jade Jones twitters that she doesn't want to get out of bed !

On a serious note its traffic info seems accurate and very current.

Something to look at before going out or even out on your mobile. Best not to start the day with an hour long wait on the A55.

Thursday, October 25, 2012

Bear Grylls meets Penyffordd Scouts

Chief Scout Bear Grylls dropped in at Llyn Brenig on Sunday where Scouts from across North Wales – including a group from Penyffordd – were taking part in activities including sailing and canoeing.

Penyffordd Scout Jamie Dixon, 13, said: “It’s good that Bear came to see us today as you see him on the TV but you don’t really get to see him in person that much.

Read further Flintshire Chronicle. 

Penyffordd Bonfire Night 2012 - Is it happening?

I'm being asked by readers what's happening. My spies tell me pallets are being stock piled on the Institute field, this is a good sign.

Perhaps time to role out some advertising. Over 2500 vehicles through the village each day. Time to put the sign up?

Mark Tami MP in The House debating Energy Security

speaker:Mark Tami : 1 Commons debate

Opposition Day - [7th Allotted Day]: Energy Market Reform (24 Oct 2012)
Mark Tami: Does my right hon. Friend agree that, while it is all very
well for the Government to have a mythical lowest-tariff policy, until
they have a coherent energy policy that ensures security of supply,
prices will continue to go up and uncertainty will remain?

speaker:Mark Tami : 4 Westminster Hall debates

There are more results than we have shown here. See more:

[Sir Alan Meale in the Chair] - Offshore Wind Generation (North Wales) (24 Oct 2012)
Mark Tami: I agree totally with my hon. Friend. Does he agree that in
the past the argument has wrongly been seen as a choice between
renewables-such as wind-and nuclear, when they are part of the same

[Sir Alan Meale in the Chair] - Offshore Wind Generation (North Wales) (24 Oct 2012)
Mark Tami: Does my hon. Friend agree that, although we have the skills
base, if the certainty is not there or people do not see it, they will
look for jobs in other sectors and that that will be a loss to the
energy sector?

[Sir Alan Meale in the Chair] - Offshore Wind Generation (North Wales) (24 Oct 2012)
Mark Tami: I was about to make that very point. If Mostyn had been
unable to expand into other areas, the whole cost would effectively have
fallen on to Airbus, because that is the route that the A380 wings take.
There would not be a feasible alternative route, and that would impinge
on whether the work was at that factory.


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Strange men with theodolites

have been seen on Chester Rd. Perhaps measuring up for the traffic calming? Let's hope so.

Tuesday, October 23, 2012

Penyffordd District Website Statistics Porn

Weekly Stats Report: 15 Oct - 21 Oct 2012 
Project: Penyffordd-district


Unique Visits11112898129908387726104
First Time Visits851037910272657658283
Returning Visits2625192718181114421

Every community needs a blogger

Well they do in my opinion. Someone who will bring up that which needs to be said. The blog also functions as a forum for anyone who feels strongly about an issue and wants the issue raised.

The door is open to any serious topic to be discussed.

A Fan writes...........

"99% of your blog is still a rambling vendetta with only one clear path - speeding. Parking with four wheels on the pavement is illegal - as illegal as speeding - we know of someone who does that don't we! Speeding is a pain and dangerous, so is parking on pavements, so is the idiotic parking and driving by the Spar. You have previously stated it's your views on this blog, as does your current tagline, but your constant slating of people, councillors or not, at the same time running under this blog name and URL, is casting aspersions on the village as a whole. These are not the views of the village as this does suggest based on name and URL alone. Change the name to "Victor Meldrew's Views On Speeding, And Random Rants" – that would be better, and would stop people who happen by this blog on the off chance - ultimately leaving in the belief that the entire Penyffordd area is filled with people harbouring these such of views! on Traffic News"


The above was written on 15th Oct 2012

Some points.

This blog was started when I wrote a polite letter to the Penyffordd Community Council pointing out there was a lot of speeding on Chester Rd.

Tom Jones got Clerk Nigel to phone up to say " speeding is nothing to do with the council"

FACT: In 2007 the average daily vehicle count through Chester Rd was 2800
Of which two thirds were breaking the 30 mph speed limit

It is a fact that speeding in the village is everything to do with the council.
It is part of their remit.

I should also point out that the cars that are parked outside my house on the path every night are 99 times out of a 100 nothing to do with our household.

Local Blackspot claims another life


Condolences to the deceased's family.

My view is that accident blackspots such as this should be made compulsory 30 or even 20 mph and rigorously enforced.

Whilst not wishing to pre-empt any investigation it should be noted that all the usual elements are in place.

The Pontblyddyn to Penyffordd road is also a constant accident issue. You would not believe the number of vehicle drivers who go well over white lines on blind bends.

The authorities seem content to allow it to continue.

Penyffordd Health Care

Re Minute 98 in which Mary Burrows CE of the University Health Board  informs the council that a review of health care in Penyffordd shows no shortfall.

One presumes the Health Board ( I presume Betsi Cadwallider ) thinks it ok for all residents of Penyffordd district to use personal and public transport to visit their doctor whether that be Buckley, Broughton or Hope.

Our former clinic now lying unused.

Penyffordd sacrificed so a new heath centre can be built in Buckley?

We are not the only community stuffed by the Health Authorities. The town of Flint springs to mind.

Extra Penyffordd Allotments

Cllr David Williams' efforts to increase allotment facilities in the village have taken a move forward with a planning application to FCC. This will include a plot for a disabled person.

Penyffordd Post Office Cafe

has been granted planning approval. This now means there will now be a non licensed meeting place for residents that is open all day. Mary and Jim are to be congratulated on this development which has been helped by a Welsh assembly Government grant.

Monday, October 15, 2012

Penyffordd Community Council minute - Re Hanson Cement Investigation - long

Below was minuted at a Special Meeting held August 1st.


The Chairman, Cllr T E Jones informed members that he had been approached by the Vice Chairman, Cllr C Bithell, who had been very much involved with the enquiry, which is probably the  most important report ever to become before the Council
He continued that in his opinion the report merits a response, and that he had received a request from the Vice Chairman to call a Special Meeting.

He added that he had been criticized in calling a Special Meeting in August, it was however at his discretion to call this meeting, and as long as a quorum is present, then the business could proceed.
He concluded that the document is of a very professional nature and that it had been compiled by professional people in their appropriate fields.

The Vice Chairman, Cllr C Bithell informed the meeting that the report had been received very late, and that Buckley Town Council had in fact not received a copy of the report prior to the final meeting.
Cllr Bithell referred to Recommendation 1, Communication and Engagement, which is to be improved between Hanson Cement, public agencies and bodies and the local community in order to rebuild trust.

Cllr Bithell continued that the report did not say how communication would be improved.
Cllr Bithell commented that what we want is something put in place to protect the generations to come.
He quoted from the report that dioxin level has been exceeded for six months, and that self reporting is not satisfactory.
He informed that at the meeting that he posed the question how long does it take to catch cancer, unfortunately there was not an answer.
On the whole the report was considered to be poorly written.
Cllr Bithell continued that a monitoring system had been in place, but that cancer is not a notifiable disease.

The Chairman, Cllr T W Jones stated that we must have some credit to the bodies involved, part are environmental people.  And that this is a report that all bodies have agreed to.
With regard to the report, the Chairman, Cllr T W Jones stated that it must be realized that if there are any complaints they will fall back on the report, he questioned who would be competent enough to argue with its content.

Cllr Dr D C Weed informed that he had read the report from back to front; he considered it to be a very good report.

Cllr Mrs L Vidamour stated that the eminent people involved had worked independently not together.

Cllr T W Jones questioned who has prepared the report;  Cllr Mrs L Vidamour responded Public Health Wales is the parent body, and that she did not consider the report to be a whitewash.

Cllr Dr D C Weed considered that Dr Andrew Jones was the wrong person to be in charge of the enquiry.

The Chairman Cllr T W Jones considered that to reject the report outright would be irresponsible and that we should make our own points and direct them to the Secretary of State.

Cllr Dr D C Weed commented that as individuals we can make our own observations to the Environmental Agency.
With regard to self reporting this was considered not to be satisfactory, and that the Environmental Agency should have the right to demand figures, statistics etc from Hanson Cement.
It was considered therefore to look at the recommendations and then to make the necessary points.
Prior to this a paragraph in the report, to the effect that soil samples and animal health had not been taken into account was considered to be negligent, and this would not build trust within the community.
For example milk taken from Dyke Farm had to be mixed with other volumes of milk, before it could be fit for human consumption.


That the following points be made.

To Dr Andrew Jones informing that the report was recently considered by the Community Council, the report recognized that communication should be improved between Castle Cement, public agencies and bodies, and the local community, unfortunately the report does not state how communication and engagement will be improved.

The Community Council would recommend therefore that half yearly reports should be prepared on the state of health in the area, included instances of Cancer, and relevant illnesses.

Furthermore there should be more extensive research into the contents of the smaller particles in the atmosphere.
The comment from the Community Council is that all relevant monitoring and sampling is reviewed by regulatory agencies.

The Community Council is concerned that self reporting is not ideal and that the Environmental Agency is not on a regular basis provided with the information, consequently the Environmental Agency should have the powers to demand relevant monitoring figures, statistics and information.
As a general point, under the heading of Building Trust within the community, the report states that animal health was not included in the investigation.
As you will be aware there has been speculation with regard to animal health in the close vicinity of the Castle Cement works, therefore if animal health issues were not included, then this will obviously lead to mistrust in the thoroughness of the investigation.

We are told that mild in the vicinity cannot be used until it is mixed with mild from elsewhere, furthermore there have been animal deaths, which are unaccounted for.
The report therefore should provide updates on soil contamination, animal health with regard to farms surrounding the area.

To the Environmental Agency, that the Community Council welcome any observations which it may have considered, following the report.

The Community Council would wish to extend an invitation to yourselves to attend a special meeting of the Community Council, in order to receive the benefit of your expertise.

4. To Mrs Mary Burrows Chief Executive, Betsi Cadwaladr Health Board, to provide Mr Burrows with copies of correspondence forwarded to Public Health Wales and to the Environment Agency, and a request for any observations that the Board may have stemming from the report which would be of benefit to the Community Council.

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